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	<description>Re-Elect Steve Farley as Arizona LD28 State Representative in 2008</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Farley</title>
		<link>http://www.friendsofarley.org/2005/12/18/daily-star-trumpets-right-wing-flak/#comment-130</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Farley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, it's interesting how these discrepancies always seem to work out in Cox's or Bruegmann's favor. Census data is raw information, and it can be used in any way the researcher likes. By your own argument, don't you think it would be more useful to look at the entire Los Angeles metro area, including parts of San Bernardino, Ventura, Orange, and Riverside counties to really check the densities of LA as it relates to sprawl? That's what Bruegmann does with NY, Chicago, and San Francisco. His use of only LA's densest core becomes an apples-to-oranges comparison that happens to skew the facts in his favor.

And Cox has a history of doing this with non-census data to "prove" the failure of various light rail systems. In Portland, he proves its "failure" by moving his baseline beginning and end year to create an appearance of less ridership growth than a standard beginning and end date does. The examples of twisted data from Cox is endless, and is covered in detail in many other places on the web &lt;a href="www.cfte.org/images/response_cox.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;(such as the PDF here)&lt;/a&gt;. Bruegmann's data appears to be equally twisted to suit his arguments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, it&#8217;s interesting how these discrepancies always seem to work out in Cox&#8217;s or Bruegmann&#8217;s favor. Census data is raw information, and it can be used in any way the researcher likes. By your own argument, don&#8217;t you think it would be more useful to look at the entire Los Angeles metro area, including parts of San Bernardino, Ventura, Orange, and Riverside counties to really check the densities of LA as it relates to sprawl? That&#8217;s what Bruegmann does with NY, Chicago, and San Francisco. His use of only LA&#8217;s densest core becomes an apples-to-oranges comparison that happens to skew the facts in his favor.</p>
<p>And Cox has a history of doing this with non-census data to &#8220;prove&#8221; the failure of various light rail systems. In Portland, he proves its &#8220;failure&#8221; by moving his baseline beginning and end year to create an appearance of less ridership growth than a standard beginning and end date does. The examples of twisted data from Cox is endless, and is covered in detail in many other places on the web <a href="www.cfte.org/images/response_cox.pdf" rel="nofollow">(such as the PDF here)</a>. Bruegmann&#8217;s data appears to be equally twisted to suit his arguments.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Bradley</title>
		<link>http://www.friendsofarley.org/2005/12/18/daily-star-trumpets-right-wing-flak/#comment-129</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The "discrepencies" you mention in regard to the census figures can easily be cleared up with a little more exploration of how the United States Government tallies its information. 

The census offers its urban statistics in three categories: city, metropolitan areas (defined by counties), and urbanized areas (which the U.S. census defines as contiguous areas around a city center with population densities above 1,000 per square mile). If you're looking at urban density, the latter category is much more useful than the older and arbitrary political boundaries of cities or counties--especially when you're discussing sprawl, which no one would argue is especially respectful of traditional boundaries. This is not a statistical trick--it's simply a more useful way to analyze settlement patterns as they exist in reality, and one that is becoming the standard statistical concept for census bureaus around the world.

As for Cox's site--the commentary is of course his own, but the statistics come straight from the United States Census site (as do Bruegmann's)--although it does take a little familiarity with census-taking methods to realize it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;discrepencies&#8221; you mention in regard to the census figures can easily be cleared up with a little more exploration of how the United States Government tallies its information. </p>
<p>The census offers its urban statistics in three categories: city, metropolitan areas (defined by counties), and urbanized areas (which the U.S. census defines as contiguous areas around a city center with population densities above 1,000 per square mile). If you&#8217;re looking at urban density, the latter category is much more useful than the older and arbitrary political boundaries of cities or counties&#8211;especially when you&#8217;re discussing sprawl, which no one would argue is especially respectful of traditional boundaries. This is not a statistical trick&#8211;it&#8217;s simply a more useful way to analyze settlement patterns as they exist in reality, and one that is becoming the standard statistical concept for census bureaus around the world.</p>
<p>As for Cox&#8217;s site&#8211;the commentary is of course his own, but the statistics come straight from the United States Census site (as do Bruegmann&#8217;s)&#8211;although it does take a little familiarity with census-taking methods to realize it.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Farley</title>
		<link>http://www.friendsofarley.org/2005/12/18/daily-star-trumpets-right-wing-flak/#comment-128</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Farley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good point. I didn't mention it before, but those census figures which seeming place New York only in third place for pop density are derived directly from Wendell Cox's &lt;a href="http://www.demographia.com/"&gt;Demographia&lt;/a&gt; website. Wendell, the leading anti-transit activist in the country, mentioned above, and funded by the same big-oil corporations as Heartland, is notorious for twisting numbers to his liking. 

The LA densities are based on a gerrymandered boundary taking in only the densest parts of LA, and ignoring the sprawling parts. Note that the New York area figure of 5,309 per square mile includes New Jersey and Connecticut--not simply the five boroughs, where the year 1990 pop density is actually 23,705 per square mile. San Francisco is not the Demographia-cited 7,004 (which includes East Bay suburbs); the city proper is 15,502. See the &lt;a href="http://www.census.gov/population/documentation/twps0027/tab22.txt"&gt;Census Bureau 1990 figures&lt;/a&gt; for more facts.

Cox is notorious for his bad data, and since Bruegmann bases his data on Cox's data, we have no reason to accept the basis for his arguments, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good point. I didn&#8217;t mention it before, but those census figures which seeming place New York only in third place for pop density are derived directly from Wendell Cox&#8217;s <a href="http://www.demographia.com/">Demographia</a> website. Wendell, the leading anti-transit activist in the country, mentioned above, and funded by the same big-oil corporations as Heartland, is notorious for twisting numbers to his liking. </p>
<p>The LA densities are based on a gerrymandered boundary taking in only the densest parts of LA, and ignoring the sprawling parts. Note that the New York area figure of 5,309 per square mile includes New Jersey and Connecticut&#8211;not simply the five boroughs, where the year 1990 pop density is actually 23,705 per square mile. San Francisco is not the Demographia-cited 7,004 (which includes East Bay suburbs); the city proper is 15,502. See the <a href="http://www.census.gov/population/documentation/twps0027/tab22.txt">Census Bureau 1990 figures</a> for more facts.</p>
<p>Cox is notorious for his bad data, and since Bruegmann bases his data on Cox&#8217;s data, we have no reason to accept the basis for his arguments, either.</p>
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		<title>By: eckeric</title>
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		<dc:creator>eckeric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting a response to that article. I wonder if there is anyone out there who has looked at the underlying assumptions that the author makes. The list of city density given seemed to have interesting metro area boundaries. NY included NJ and Conn. but LA didn't seem to include all of the sprawl counties that I think of when I think of LA. Maybe they just didn't list them all in the  paper, but it seems to me that LA would have to include everything out to San Bernardino, and that is just to the East. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting a response to that article. I wonder if there is anyone out there who has looked at the underlying assumptions that the author makes. The list of city density given seemed to have interesting metro area boundaries. NY included NJ and Conn. but LA didn&#8217;t seem to include all of the sprawl counties that I think of when I think of LA. Maybe they just didn&#8217;t list them all in the  paper, but it seems to me that LA would have to include everything out to San Bernardino, and that is just to the East.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Farley</title>
		<link>http://www.friendsofarley.org/2005/12/18/daily-star-trumpets-right-wing-flak/#comment-125</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Farley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 04:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case you wanted to hear more from Mr Bruegmann and his brand of logic, here's an excerpt from an interview in a recent &lt;a href="http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/nov05/370544.asp" rel="nofollow"&gt;Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel:&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Q.You seem to leave poor people out of the equation. They can't live in the sprawl zone because there is little if any affordable housing out there, and they may not have cars or adequate public transit to commute out to jobs there, either. What about their needs?

A. Most poor people in America live in single-family homes and they have cars. Los Angeles is a good example. But as more jobs are created on the edges of cities, one answer might be to give every (poor person) a car and make it easier to get out of the city. Government attempts to create affordable housing have not been very successful.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No further comment necessary on this one. Sounds like a proud Heartland policy expert.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case you wanted to hear more from Mr Bruegmann and his brand of logic, here&#8217;s an excerpt from an interview in a recent <a href="http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/nov05/370544.asp" rel="nofollow">Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel:</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Q.You seem to leave poor people out of the equation. They can&#8217;t live in the sprawl zone because there is little if any affordable housing out there, and they may not have cars or adequate public transit to commute out to jobs there, either. What about their needs?</p>
<p>A. Most poor people in America live in single-family homes and they have cars. Los Angeles is a good example. But as more jobs are created on the edges of cities, one answer might be to give every (poor person) a car and make it easier to get out of the city. Government attempts to create affordable housing have not been very successful.</p></blockquote>
<p>No further comment necessary on this one. Sounds like a proud Heartland policy expert.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Farley</title>
		<link>http://www.friendsofarley.org/2005/12/18/daily-star-trumpets-right-wing-flak/#comment-124</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Farley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 04:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, I would not in any way characterize this as an ad-hominem attack, but rather as an ad-organization attack. The link I found on the &lt;a href="http://www.heartland.org/SpeakersBureauArticle.cfm?sbrId=36" rel="nofollow"&gt;Heartland site&lt;/a&gt; indicates that he is "staff and policy expert" for the Heartland Institute, and his arguments follow directly the arguments being made by other Heartland flaks. There's nothing unfounded about this accusation at all.

The fact that Heartland receives beaucoup bucks from the home-mortgage, suburban builder, oil, and auto industry is directly related to his "surprising" findings that happen to be directly what those folks would like to see.

This is how the corporate right wing has seized the mainstream media over the past decades and it's only fair to call them on their tactics when mainstream journalists abandon their sacred trust to investigate their sources--that should be their job, not ours.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, I would not in any way characterize this as an ad-hominem attack, but rather as an ad-organization attack. The link I found on the <a href="http://www.heartland.org/SpeakersBureauArticle.cfm?sbrId=36" rel="nofollow">Heartland site</a> indicates that he is &#8220;staff and policy expert&#8221; for the Heartland Institute, and his arguments follow directly the arguments being made by other Heartland flaks. There&#8217;s nothing unfounded about this accusation at all.</p>
<p>The fact that Heartland receives beaucoup bucks from the home-mortgage, suburban builder, oil, and auto industry is directly related to his &#8220;surprising&#8221; findings that happen to be directly what those folks would like to see.</p>
<p>This is how the corporate right wing has seized the mainstream media over the past decades and it&#8217;s only fair to call them on their tactics when mainstream journalists abandon their sacred trust to investigate their sources&#8211;that should be their job, not ours.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Bradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting entry, and I don't necessarily disagree with a great deal of it. But I think your "background checking" wasn't as thorough as it should have been in light of the accusations you make about Bruegmann and his motives. It appears that Bruegmann did indeed give a single talk at the Heartland Institute several years ago. But according to his curriculum vitae, he's also spoken at the Phoenix Public Library, Yale University School of Architecture, and the Wave Hill Public Garden and Cultural Center in the Bronx. 

I suppose he probably received  honorariums for all those speaking engagements, but I think implying that he's "on staff" at any of those organizations is probably stretching the facts more tightly the actual truth warrants. Why dilute your arguments with unfounded ad hominem attacks--surely your viewpoint can be defended without resorting to such tactics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting entry, and I don&#8217;t necessarily disagree with a great deal of it. But I think your &#8220;background checking&#8221; wasn&#8217;t as thorough as it should have been in light of the accusations you make about Bruegmann and his motives. It appears that Bruegmann did indeed give a single talk at the Heartland Institute several years ago. But according to his curriculum vitae, he&#8217;s also spoken at the Phoenix Public Library, Yale University School of Architecture, and the Wave Hill Public Garden and Cultural Center in the Bronx. </p>
<p>I suppose he probably received  honorariums for all those speaking engagements, but I think implying that he&#8217;s &#8220;on staff&#8221; at any of those organizations is probably stretching the facts more tightly the actual truth warrants. Why dilute your arguments with unfounded ad hominem attacks&#8211;surely your viewpoint can be defended without resorting to such tactics.</p>
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